Danilović said that it would be good for our region to reconcile.
"If it is necessary to reconcile on the graves, let's reconcile. Let's start by accepting the fact that we recognize each other's graves and that we recognize the crime. We don't agree on what the qualification of a crime is and I hope that's the biggest difference between us. I know that the international community, which is different today than when they cursed the United Nations, is not satisfied with that and insists on something else. Many of them were not invited to preach to us, they did not help us to reconcile, they helped us to quarrel long ago when I was young man. Maybe there is bitterness in me, but I have enough strength, I would not jump, dance and dance on anyone's graves. I know that great crimes were committed against the Bosniak, Serbian and Croatian people, we all are worked for each other. I hope that the smarter of us will manage to find a measure in which they will definitely reconcile once and for all," he said.
Sekulović said that the region has a great chance and a great challenge.
"Serious people say that we are already entering, if we haven't already long since entered, the second cold war. The geopolitical situation is not favorable at all, globally the challenges are huge, multipolarism is a fact. What all this will lead to, probably no one knows at this moment, and it can certainly have a negative impact on the region. We have a potential renewal of something that happened in the 90s. Let's choose the right path now. And the right path always leads to sincere cooperation , building bridges and accepting that there were criminals in one's own people and that this should be condemned," Sekulović said.
Đuričković said that he would make a request to the citizens to look at things from the factual side, from what the relevant addresses are.
"These are international judgments, the views and attitudes of all democratic, developed Western countries, which are full of mouths that we want to be like them every day and that they make judgments based on that. the group that denies the genocide and what state their countries are in," said Đuričković.
He said that he would not say that the international order is unjust, because, as he added, justice always arrives.
"Maybe with a delay, but it always arrives, as in the case of Srebrenica and all the judgments that did arrive late, but they arrived. We have a system, it may not be ideal, but it is the best we have. This does not mean that because it is not as efficient as we would like, it should that we are taking completely wrong positions," Đuričković said.
When asked if he had the impression that some verdicts never came, Đuričković said that no investigation was done.
"There is no war that has fully investigated all the crimes, and fully judged all the crimes. But you have what is the overall narrative, the overall verdict, that every war has come out of someone who was guilty and someone who was victorious and who he was not guilty. And that is the key, and because of minor crimes, we cannot relativize that key verdict, said Đuričković.
Danilović said that denial of genocide is not denial of crime.
He refused to directly answer the question of whether he considers Radovan Karadžić a war criminal or not.
"If the latter are criminals, so is he," said Danilović.
He said that Karadžić was accused of war crimes.
Danilović said that he would leave the Government if he was in it.
On the occasion of the amendment of the Government of Montenegro to the resolution on Srebrenica, Đuričković said that the second amendment is a big nebula and an attempt to politicize the process.
"Vijesti" announced earlier this month that the first amendment reads: "... Reiterating that guilt for the crime of genocide is individualized and cannot be attributed to any ethnic, religious or other group or community as a whole."
The second states: "Confirming the inviolability of the general framework agreement for peace in Bosnia and Herzegovina in all its provisions".
"You are trying to put the Remembrance Day amendments on the ground, which was determined by the Dayton Agreement, whether it was genocide, whether it was not genocide, whether and how many victims there were, whether there were no victims. This regime with these amendments, this "The government of Montenegro has been placed in the propaganda machinery of Aleksandar Vučić. They announce and initiate initiatives that support Aleksandar Vučić's regime," said Đuričković.
When asked what is wrong with the first amendment, Đuričković said that when you read that amendment, there is nothing controversial, but it does not add any additional value.
He said that the amendments do not concern the given topic and that it is "as if I, Mr. Komnenić, were talking about RTCG or any other television on your show, how they lack electricity or anything else".
He quoted Prime Minister Milojko Spajić who said at the Prime Minister's Hour "we proposed the amendments because we need to appease part of the public".
"It is a part of the public that denies the genocide. And instead of being the leader, the prime minister of the country, you should be the ringleader of correct attitudes," said Đuričković.
He said that international partners have marked this move by Montenegro - there is a term in diplomacy that starts with "d" and the second word is "muv".
"You will understand in English what it means," said Đuričković.
Sekulović said that negative selection happened in our country and that we saw it live in action every day in the 90s.
"As a society in the Balkans, we did not recover adequately from that, we did not learn the lessons, we did not manage to build real bridges," Sekulović said.
He said that the resolution on Jasenovac is superfluous at the moment and that it can have political consequences for relations with Croatia, and perhaps for European integration.
He said that he does not know what the text will look like, but if it is decided to adopt it, it would be good if the drafting of the text is coordinated with Croatia.
Đuričković said about the resolution in Jasenovac that it was an attempt to profit politically from a great, tragic historical act.
"This shows all the unscrupulousness of the people in power, that they are ready, for the sake of some political profit that will come in June, July or August 2024, to pull such a topic out of the archives and place it in the public opinion of Montenegro. at a time when the resolution on Srebrenica is a current topic. It is not by chance," said Đuričković.
He said that in Montenegro you cannot find a man on the street who denies the events in Jasenovac.
"However, you can find the events in Srebrenica on the street and tonight in the studio and in political life," said Đuričković.
Danilovć said that the resolution on Jasenovac is an underestimation of the great crime that was never declared genocide, which happened in Jasenovac.
"I don't think we should trade Srebrenica for Jasenovac, these are incompatible things, both in terms of the number of people killed and the fact that women, children and men remained in Jasenovac, we haven't counted them yet, we don't know if there are 500, 600, 700, 800 thousand and we cannot equate it with Srebrenica, no matter how much the wounds of Srebrenica hurt us. I and United Montenegro do not support this type of political transaction and we will say so publicly when the time comes," Danilović said.
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The editor of the show, Petar Komnenić, read the statement of the late Metropolitan Amfilohi of Montenegro-Primir, in which he said that in 1995 he offered refuge in Montenegro to the former president of Republika Srpska, Radovan Karadžić.
Danilović said that in 1995, he too would have offered Karadžić refuge.
"Was he then accused or convicted of a war crime?" said Danilović.
He said that if Krsto Zrnov were to be raised underground today, many in Montenegro would offer him refuge even though he was convicted of a war crime.
The commander-in-chief of the Republika Srpska Army, Ratko Mladić, and the wartime president of that entity in Bosnia and Herzegovina (BiH), Radovan Karadžić, among others, were sentenced to life imprisonment for the genocide in Srebrenica and other war crimes in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Danilovć said that the international tribunal made someone who commanded the Croatian Defense Council or Naser Orić be convicted on other sides "and not to grin at all of us as the winner of this whole story, to every man who is less knowledgeable, from my kind, it would be easier to say, we all did what people shouldn't do".
"When you believe that the national hero is Ante Gotovina, then you have to expect the reaction of the collective consciousness of another nation, to say that no matter what you condemned them, he is also my national hero," he said.
Danilović said that he wants to tell the Bosniaks that what is being done with the victims of the great crime in Srebrenica, the president of Croatia, Zoran Milanović, would tell them the same.
"And he is not a Chetnik like me and they have no right to accuse him of that. He is saying the same thing. He is talking about it slowly, with the proclamation of local genocides, because we also have Jasenovac. Is it possible that our culture of memory is only going in that direction and that an ordinary person today, a Bosniak, does not understand me, as my colleague MP Džavid Šabović understood me in 2011. He told me, regardless of the fact that I was not talking about genocide, but about a great shame, a massacre, if I justified Srebrenica, I justified the Zidani Most, two the most similar things because they happen at the end of the war," he said.
Đuričković said that Milo Đukanović renounced Slobodan Milošević in 1995, and Danilović said that this was not true.
Đuričković said that Rwanda and Germany are full members of the United Nations and that no one can challenge their right to initiate resolutions.
"The fact that we are debating whether or not someone has the right to initiate a resolution and whether genocide was or was not justifies Rwanda, North Korea, Iran, Germany, America to initiate an initiative before the United Nations. The resolution, if you read it, does not condemn one nation and has special provisions regarding the education of future generations about what happened in Srebrenica," he said.
Danilović said that Rwanda today and in the last 30 years has a government that has never won less than 75 percent in elections, and that the last president of Rwanda has been president four times in a row.
"In the last elections in 2018, the current president of Rwanda won 98 percent of the vote. It is certain that Rwanda cannot keep up with any European country," said Danilović.
He said that he is ashamed of people who forget that the only crime in the territory of the former Yugoslavia that should be remembered was committed 29 years ago in Srebrenica.
He said he was ashamed of those who did not mention other crimes.
He also said that Rwanda is not a democratic country.
He also said that the reason why Germany did not initiate the condemnation of the crimes in Palestine in the UN General Assembly.
He said that the director of the "Simon Wiesenthal" institute Efraim Zuroff and Noam Chomsky are also saying what he is saying.
"I think that Srebrenica is not genocide. I admit that a great crime took place, one of the biggest in Bosnia and Herzegovina (BiH)," said Danilović.
Danilović announced that he sees the proposal for a resolution on Srebrenica as something that should be used to cover up the shameful suffering of the Palestinian people in Gaza with the silence of the international community.
"I really don't understand how anyone wants to reconcile the region almost 30 years after the great crime in Srebrenica, declaring an international day for what they call genocide in Srebrenica, forgetting those that happened next to it, in the Balkans and in the world, and even dared to make Rwanda one of the co-sponsors and key proponents," said Danilović.
Sekulović said that the momentum of proposing a resolution on Srebrenica is not a surprise because a similar initiative was tried before through the Security Council of the United Nations (UN) and then it was met with the faith of Russia.
"The region did not face itself, we witness in all societies that war criminals are being celebrated and put on a pedestal," said Sekulović.
Đuričković said that the centers that base their politics on the denial of the genocide in Srebrenica have increased their pace.
"It was the duty of the world to initiate this resolution and to strike future generations with the foundation and the factual situation of what happened," said Đuričković.
He recalled that the president of the Bosnian-Herzegovinian entity Republika Srpska Milorad Dodik claimed ten years ago that genocide took place in Srebrenica.
"When his bosses, principals and interest ordered him to change his rhetoric and the geopolitical situation, of course he changed the board," Đuričković said.
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